Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

**barosa** · 08-29-2008, 01:00 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Tuff Gong: <span style="font-weight: bold">Very dishonest</span> first off that level of crime has not been in Jamaica over the last forty years.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: barosa

Having said that, what is more important to the people of Jamaica that the "right to be relatively free" from <span style="font-weight: bold">the crime wave that has overwhelm us during the last 40 years?</span></div></div>
Tuffy, I'm <span style="font-weight: bold">Very Dishonest</span>! ~ where in my statement above, did I say: <span style="font-style: italic">"THAT LEVEL OF CRIME HAS BEEN IN JAMAICA FOR OVER THE LAST FORTY YEARS"?. </span> ~ Please <span style="font-weight: bold">Re-Read</span> what I said, thank you...
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**Morpheous** · 08-29-2008, 04:39 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newtriment</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After months of wracking his brains and consulting his ministers and all experts in the criminal sociological and psychological field the prime miniter has finally come up with a revolutionary idea for ending crime in Jamaica.

He`s telling criminals to <span style="font-size: 14pt"> "stop it"</span> !
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Him need fi guh tell him <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #009900"><span style="font-size: 14pt">JLP GARRISONS</span></span></span> fi STOP IT and while he's at it tell the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">PNP GARRISONS</span></span></span> fi STOP IT tuh

**Tuff Gong** · 08-29-2008, 06:47 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Tuff Gong: <span style="font-weight: bold">Very dishonest</span> first off that level of crime has not been in Jamaica over the last forty years.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: barosa

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Having said that, what is more important to the people of Jamaica that the "right to be relatively free" from <span style="font-weight: bold">the crime wave that has overwhelm us during the last 40 years?[/</span></span></div></div>
Tuffy, I'm <span style="font-weight: bold">Very Dishonest</span>! ~ where in my statement above, did I say: <span style="font-style: italic">"THAT LEVEL OF CRIME HAS BEEN IN JAMAICA FOR OVER THE LAST FORTY YEARS"?. </span> ~ Please <span style="font-weight: bold">Re-Read</span> what I said, thank you...
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That <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">exactly</span> what you implied you made <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">no </span>qualifications when you made the statement above! I can <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">read and overstand </span>well enough!

**Tuff Gong** · 08-29-2008, 06:54 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newtriment</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After months of wracking his brains and consulting his ministers and all experts in the criminal sociological and psychological field the prime miniter has finally come up with a revolutionary idea for ending crime in Jamaica.

He`s telling criminals to <span style="font-size: 14pt"> "stop it"</span> !
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Him need fi guh tell him <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #009900"><span style="font-size: 14pt">JLP GARRISONS</span></span></span> fi STOP IT and while he's at it tell the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">PNP GARRISONS</span></span></span> fi STOP IT tuh

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My friend if <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">one </span>JLP Garrison was at war the whole Jamaica would know. As I predicted before and it has come to past the killings that were taken place in the PNP Garrisons that were been papered over would increase and eventually spill over into the national stats.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Even the police </span>admit that the PNP was not doing enough to curb the violence in the said areas that I pointed to.
The <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">PNP Gen Sec </span>claimed that Politicians could not stop it, which basically <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">absolved all politicians </span>on both sides of the aisle.

**Morpheous** · 08-29-2008, 07:15 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Even the police </span>admit that the PNP was not doing enough to curb the violence in the said areas that I pointed to.
The <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">PNP Gen Sec </span>claimed that Politicians could not stop it, which basically <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">absolved all politicians </span>on both sides of the aisle.
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The JLP did nothing when they were in power so they are as bad as the PNP and now they are both quick to say they have nothing to do with any garrisons in Jamaica - The liars.

So the police say the politicians couldn't stop the the garrisons violence they themselves nurtured, encouraged, supported, backed, financed and supplied with weapons. Now the monsters they created both JLP and PNP alike have seen their Frankensteins out of control and become an entity unto themselves - (some). Still this does not absolve the JLP and PNP from what they created, nurtured and supported.

**Tuff Gong** · 08-29-2008, 07:39 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The JLP did nothing when they were in power so they are as bad as the PNP and now they are both quick to say they have nothing to do with any garrisons in Jamaica - The liars.</div></div>

First what period(s) are you talking about and secondly could you care to describe what you mean by did nothing?

**Morpheous** · 08-29-2008, 07:54 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The JLP did nothing when they were in power so they are as bad as the PNP and now they are both quick to say they have nothing to do with any garrisons in Jamaica - The liars.</div></div>

First what period(s) are you talking about and secondly could you care to describe what you mean by did nothing? </div></div>
The period when the garrisons <span style="font-weight: bold">named here</span> first sprung to life and the fact that they thrived under each party in turn when they both had power with manley and saega presiding.

<span style="color: #990000">"Both of Jamaica's major political parties, the Jamaican Labor Party (JLP) and the Peoples National Party (PNP), used the street gangs to influence the electoral process. In the election campaign of 1980, for instance, more than 400 persons were murdered as a result of political disputes. Victorious candidates rewarded their supporters in the gangs with projects for their neighborhoods, development and basic municipal services".</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Full facts here</span>

**Tuff Gong** · 08-29-2008, 08:30 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The JLP did nothing when they were in power so they are as bad as the PNP and now they are both quick to say they have nothing to do with any garrisons in Jamaica - The liars.</div></div>

First what period(s) are you talking about and secondly could you care to describe what you mean by did nothing? </div></div>
The period when the garrisons <span style="font-weight: bold">named here</span> first sprung to life and the fact that they thrived under each party in turn when they both had power with manley and saega presiding.

<span style="color: #990000">"Both of Jamaica's major political parties, the Jamaican Labor Party (JLP) and the Peoples National Party (PNP), used the street gangs to influence the electoral process. In the election campaign of 1980, for instance, more than 400 persons were murdered as a result of political disputes. Victorious candidates rewarded their supporters in the gangs with projects for their neighborhoods, development and basic municipal services".</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Full facts here</span>
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My friend the Garrisons first started long before 1980.
1980 might have been a watershed year according the PNP retelling of the story but over 500 persons were killed in the 70s and many more unaccounted for. Again when the JLP came to power taking over a wrecked economy they rebuilt economy and drove crime down to a very low figure, the PNP spent 18 years in power and did the opposite, which is where we are now.

You <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">arguments is bunk!</span>

**Morpheous** · 08-30-2008, 06:14 AM

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Your response was predictable like clockwork. You sound like a typical politician. Can't be trusted and deny even the nose on their faces.

It's laughable to even try to come with a weak lame excuse to deny that JLP aren't linked to garrisons and to play party politics and point the finger at one party. BOTH the JLP and PNP have garrison that they politically aligned themselves with in order to win election in their respective areas and BOTH the JLP and PNP collectively are responsible for the poverty and bad economic state of Jamaica as they have both had a chance to fix things but only made it worse.

The JLP garrisons are listed for all to see so your weak excuses cannot cover up the fact that the list below were/are <span style="font-weight: bold">JLP garrisons</span>
* Shower Massive
* Trench Town(rema sheme Crew) Massive
* Renkers Posse
* Southside
* One Order Gang
* Precinct 13
* Banton Po
* Untouchables
* Montego Bay Posse

**Morpheous** · 08-30-2008, 06:21 AM

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What did the JLP do to stop those listed below from flourishing under their watch just like the PNP did.

* Dunkerk Boys Massive
* Truman Arms Posse
* 8 ball Posse
* The Gucci Gang
* 98 Posse
* Du Rag Posse
* Much Love Crew
* Lock City Crew
* Kick off Head Crew
* Hype Crew
* Back 2 Back Gang
* One Don- View, Mili, Warm
* Fatherless crew from Rema

The JLP and PNP been backing garrisons for years to fight each other. If a new PNP backed garrison spring up in an area the JLP would find an equivalent garrison to back. PNP and JLP are fighting each other in the streets by proxy of these politically aligned gangs. Ghetto yutes are trapped in their respective communities if you can even call it that with no choice but to heed to the beck and call of the local politically backed dons and warlords who rape off the "fit girls" in their area and murder anyone who don't fall in line politically or financially. These dons and warlords are known by the police and the politicians but they are appeased by the respective parties for their own political end - the losers are the ordinary people in the ghetto. So take your party politics somewhere else where people have their heads in the sand with no sense of reality.

A litmus test for you to test how politically democratic the system is especially in Kingston. Go into a PNP area and declare that you are a supporter of the JLP as a law abiding citizens or the same for a PNP law abiding citizen.

America, Canada and Britain have their faults/problems but law abiding citizens can declare to their neighbors their political support without fear of violence. JLP and PNP areas cannot do that so go figure

**Wahalla** · 08-30-2008, 09:31 AM

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Tuffy I recall the incident...

But that statement is not in the constitution......I cant find it....

**Tuff Gong** · 08-30-2008, 02:04 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your response was predictable like clockwork. You sound like a typical politician. Can't be trusted and deny even the nose on their faces.

It's laughable to even try to come with a weak lame excuse to deny that JLP aren't linked to garrisons and to play party politics and point the finger at one party. BOTH the JLP and PNP have garrison that they politically aligned themselves with in order to win election in their respective areas and BOTH the JLP and PNP collectively are responsible for the poverty and bad economic state of Jamaica as they have both had a chance to fix things but only made it worse.

The JLP garrisons are listed for all to see so your weak excuses cannot cover up the fact that the list below were/are <span style="font-weight: bold">JLP garrisons</span>
* Shower Massive
* Trench Town(rema sheme Crew) Massive
* Renkers Posse
* Southside
* One Order Gang
* Precinct 13
* Banton Po
* Untouchables
* Montego Bay Posse

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My friend you have come with this same idiotic line that has been debunked time and time again.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">First off</span> this is not an answer to what I have said above. You cannot in now way shape or form shown where I have attempted to say that there is no JLP Garrisons?

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Secondly</span> Jamaica only recognized three (3) JLP Garrisons to ten (10) PNP Garrisons. You can sit in your armchair in England and add, divide and subtract all you want the facts remain, until they change the designation of Garrisons in Jamaica I will only accept the Jamaican overstanding.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Thirdly</span> I have attempted the debunk for the 10th time the list of Gangs and affiliations that you keep coping off the web and posting, because some of the gangs that you mention were only formed in the USA and England albeit by members with political affiliations, as in the Shower Posse, which was a gang run by Jim Brown when he migrated to the USA but had members from Labourites, PNP, Puerto Ricans, St. Lucians, Virgin Islanders, etc, <span style="font-style: italic">(and those are only the ones that I knew of)</span>.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">4th</span> and most important this is another attempt to low-jack a post on this board for no reason but to give an idiot a soap box what on earth this have to do with the original topic I don't know...what freaking point are you trying to make?

**Tuff Gong** · 08-30-2008, 02:04 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tuffy I recall the incident...

But that statement is not in the constitution......I cant find it.... </div></div>

It was never in the Constitution, it was made only about 3 years ago!

**barosa** · 08-30-2008, 08:05 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That exactly what you implied you made no qualifications when you made the statement above! I can read and overstand well enough!</div></div>

Tuffy, there you go again comming up with your <span style="font-weight: bold">"That (is) exactly what you implied"</span> as a cover to justify your <span style="font-weight: bold">"Very Dishonest"</span> comment. ~ For your information, let me say that in no way can you or anyone equate what I said:<span style="font-weight: bold">"from the crime wave that has overwhelmed us <span style="font-style: italic">DURING</span> the last 40 years"</span> with your implied creation of <span style="font-weight: bold">"that level of crime <span style="font-style: italic">HAS BEEN</span> in Jamaica for over 40 years".</span> It's an attempt to distort what I SAID and to put words in my mouth.

I just want to let you know that I KNOW the difference between what I said and what You IMPLIED. You went over the line with your characterisation of me as <span style="font-weight: bold">"very dishonest"</span> when it was clearly not the case. As you may be aware by now, I dont accept the characterisation. ~ For me, this is a closed issue without any malice...
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**Tuff Gong** · 08-30-2008, 09:59 PM

Re: Prime minister`s revolutionary solution to crime

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That exactly what you implied you made no qualifications when you made the statement above! I can read and overstand well enough!</div></div>

Tuffy, there you go again comming up with your <span style="font-weight: bold">"That (is) exactly what you implied"</span> as a cover to justify your <span style="font-weight: bold">"Very Dishonest"</span> comment. ~ For your information, let me say that in no way can you or anyone equate what I said:<span style="font-weight: bold">"from the crime wave that has overwhelmed us <span style="font-style: italic">DURING</span> the last 40 years"</span> with your implied creation of <span style="font-weight: bold">"that level of crime <span style="font-style: italic">HAS BEEN</span> in Jamaica for over 40 years".</span> It's an attempt to distort what I SAID and to put words in my mouth.

I just want to let you know that I KNOW the difference between what I said and what You IMPLIED. You went over the line with your characterisation of me as <span style="font-weight: bold">"very dishonest"</span> when it was clearly not the case. As you may be aware by now, I dont accept the characterisation. ~ For me, this is a closed issue without any malice...
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<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">You</span> made no distinction then and I am happy to accept <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">your qualifications</span> now, however the best way to resolve this is to get a disinterested party. <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">You </span>my friend should never call <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">another member</span> of this board dishonest, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">you </span>are the epitome of a <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">very dishonest person</span>, so much so that another member who has been here for a shorter time period that I called you out ova soh the other day.

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